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Re: Case Study: Harley Davidson Champion Shirt

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Good eye. How did you access those items?

Two more sought after vintage Harley t-shirts with a 22" chest? And keeping all the items private? come on.
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Here's more photos from this seller's previous listings - both shirts have 22" chests. Incentive to be extra careful when purchasing these designs.
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Terapeak! An invaluable tool for the pro ebayer!

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what the eff is that? I guess the new trend is to write a name on both the tag and the shirt...it helps legitimize the piece and makes a connection between a tag sewn in to a foreign shirt?
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Not even close. He'd be better off cutting off the hem/sleeves and selling it as a reconstructed garment.
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I remember coming across that shirt in one of my searches. Some excellent craftsmanship going on. the initials thing is like the total sign of it being authentic, going to get me some junk food shirts now and start initialing them, i mean making them original hahaha!

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new faker?

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-HARLEY-DAVI ... 0714006265

to his credit this guy is labeling certain ones REPROS in the listing. however, given he's obviously a vintage dealer - it's deceptive to put repros among true vintage items and not list it in the title of the auction - it's obviously paying off given people are paying $50-400 for them.

here's some shirts he has labeled as REPROS - so beware of these designs.
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In summary here are the account names of the seller's we've noticed distributing repro harley and champion tees - photos have appeared earlier in this thread.

Please post any suspicious items you come across.

drdt4

http://shop.ebay.com/drdt4/m.html

crazzyfreddy

http://shop.ebay.com/crazzyfreddy/m.htm ... 4340.l2562

kurokuni

http://shop.ebay.com/kurokuni/m.html?_t ... 4340.l2562
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nice work my mang! as always

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I have bought repro jeans, souvenir jackets from "crazzyfreddy" in the past and he has delivered... he's a good seller - but you definitely need to know what your buying, his negatives come from people assuming and not knowing their stuff and/or reading carefully - if it seems too good to be true... it probably is - CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!

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I disagree - he's not a "good seller." :x

Yes he peddles true garments too, but I don't think doing any business with vintage terrorists is a good idea. It was only recently that Fred started listing the shirts as reproductions - and the prices he's getting are based on misleading bidders. You should not have to read carefully to find out an item isn't actually vintage - it shouldn't be listed as vintage and it should have REPRO in the TITLE. Bidders are assuming he's selling vintage because of the other items in his store and his past transactions.

Shysters like these guys can't be trusted. They're hurting the vintage market - why support them? We've been digging around about them, it's not just fake t-shirts they are selling - so if you've got an embroidered souvenir/tour/car jacket that you thought was vintage - think again.

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How expensive could it be to buy an sewing machine that does proper overlock stitching?
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They are pretty standard these days and not that expensive - when we were doing DIY for women my seamstress had one. Whom ever is creating these (we've been told it's a Japanese guy in Thailand) I'm sure he has a full-on production line.
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I have a Thai customer (distributor) who makes the t-shirts himself(buys the poly cotton cloth and then stitches the shirts to match screenstars, etc), he makes his own tags and he can do multicolor prints. These other guys get lazy and skip one of the steps along the way.
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Sounds like a lucrative trade. That shirt posted above with disclaimers and all sold for $88. Unbelievable!

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He thinks it's okay because he puts "repro" in the listing. These bidders are just as dumb - we can't blame this on a language barrier - he only ships to the US. Are they just not reading it and assuming it's vintage? Or are they actually OK with it being a bootleg? I mean it is pretty clear in the listing - in bold red letters. If he was a real man he would put it in the listing title and remove "vintage".

I'm reporting it to eBay again now.
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Perhaps it is a clever money laundering operation? ;)

Otherwise I cant see why anyone would pay so much for such a poorly printed piece. I think i cut better screens in my high school graphics class.

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If you thought the Champion fakes were only Blue Bars on ringer tees....think again. Nice touch on fraying them too....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/270788774805

And all of this coming from a guy who typically deals genuine stuff and is in the business. Sad.
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Seems like a lot of work creating these fakes just to list them for $60.00 but I guess if you get good at making them it becomes a volume thing.

Sell 16 of them at $60.00 and bam! You just made a $1,000.00.

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Yup - and he was getting $100-300 quite regularly - probably scoops them up for $15 each.
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Re: Case Study: Harley Davidson Champion Shirt

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This might be a naive question, but can his listings be reported (even the ones that say "repro") if the tags themselves still say "Made in the USA"? He says that he only ships to the US, aren't there laws about misrepresenting a country of origin?

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