Deadstock? Look at the size of that shirt, you really think that's the original size? Probably would fit you though, looks about the perfect size for a troll.Happy1 wrote:WyCoVintage
Is loaded with Fake shirts. Here is another...Please...
https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/4910465 ... ?ref=hp_rv
Deadstock shirt printed with a old School print.....Just look at hit ebay and etsy site....Showco shirts are fake...Why should I contact him...Jason would of bought the lynard shirt if it was real...
You really should reach out to Jason, he's very helpful and informative. After your initial post, Jason asked me what I wanted for the Zeppelin Showco. If Jason had any issue with my Showcos, without hesitation, he would let me know. That's a fact.
http://www.defunkd.com/blog/wp-content/ ... Shirts.jpg
Wonder what the second shirt on the bottom left corner is.......?
https://www.etsy.com/listing/482339591/ ... gallery_12
- Hanes Double Tag Made in Haiti
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First thing I do when trying to understand a tag that I don't understand, is I look for other tags and consistencies similar to the tag I'm looking for. Next step, look at hanes tags from this era. We all have seen how tags can move through into the next generation, hanes blue tags, late 80s FOTL showing up in late 90s, even champion blue bars showed up in the 80s. This particular hanes tag has shown up on 1994 Metallica reissues so I was familiar with it but still somewhere skeptical before I listed it. The logo, the H and the colors are very similar to other 90s tags I have seen previously. I do deep ebay searches, description 1993 hanes shirt, then go tag hunting. If I wonder if a shirt is authentic and need help figuring it out, I look for other shirts with the same graphics and see if it's more commonly available and what build of shirts it was printed upon. This will help in finding your more commonly printed shirts and reproductions as well. The shirt you mentioned is a 1993 Nirvana TOUR shirt. Next I would try to look up and find out if this print is readily available or has been listed previously. Being a tour shirt, there are going to be less versions of this shirt available so that means it's gonna be harder to find. I could not find any shirts, vintage or reproduced that line up with this shirts graphics.
Here are some great examples of 90s Hanes tags and a Grateful Dead from same time frame with same tag.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bud-Faubel-the- ... Sw9GhYZ~os
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grateful-Dead-S ... Sw4GVYSZbs
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Primus-1993-Vin ... SwzaJX6TJx
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VTG-Womens-Mel- ... Sw2xRYU15A
Let me know if you have any questions or need help with anything else!
The hot rod shirt would appear to be a smoking gun as far as print date and tag match, but I would say it's more likely that the driver did that art and originally printed in 1993 and continued printing it for a long time after to sell at rallies and what not (very common in that world). In fact, just out of curiosity I Googled it and found that an automotive website is still selling shirts with this same exact design in sizes S-XXXL so it's definitely been in print recently. Can't make out the copyright date from the photo but it appears to be the same as the link to the one on ebay. Here's the shirt on this website: http://www.kramerauto.com/proddetail.asp?prod=z01-01
For the Jerry Garcia shirt there's a lot of them in circulation. And in my experience the Winterland copyrighted shirts from 1993-95 were for the most part printed with Winterland tags. The later reprints were Hanes or other brands, early-late 90s were the single tag Hanes made in the USA. The much later reprints (98/99-present) were always double tag Hanes or other brands, usually made elsewhere, or at the very least assembled in Mexico, Haiti, etc. Hanes definitely used that distinctive arrow logo in the mid-late 90s but the double tag for sure wouldn't have been around in 1993.
In my opinion this would be the timeframe for the Jerry printings:
Original 1993 Winterland Tag - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jerry-Garcia-Gr ... SwXAJYWAtm
Early-late 90s reprint - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Jerry-G ... Sw2xRYTK7R
1998/99-present reprint - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grateful-Dead-S ... Sw4GVYSZbs
The Primus and Mel Tillis you're dead on about with the era matching the year on the shirt, but like I said those are single tag Hanes and made in the USA with no qualifiers. So those would have been early 90s for sure.
And that's why I think the Nirvana shirt in question isn't actually from 1993. This seems like a one-off modern day head shop bootleg reprint more than anything since there aren't any other matching examples in the wild. And the official tour shirts from that year have a slightly different front print and also have the back print with the cities, and the two that are listed now have a Delta tag and a Screen Stars Best tag which would be period correct. I could be wrong, feel free to correct me. Like I said, I hope you don't take offense to this but I've been reading this thread and I do feel the era is off for sure on the Nirvana one based on what I know from collecting for the last 20 years and selling on and off for a decade or so.
I moved the tag search on ebay up to 94 and found many more double tags on 1994 shirts and about 10 different Hanes tags in total from that year. Some coming from other countries and variations of 50/50, Heavyweight, and Beefy. I actually wondered if it might be a parking lot tee which would explain not seeing any copies. Under your hypothesis, there's no reason to print tour on a shirt that would've been made in the late 90s as there was no real demand for Nirvana at that time. You could buy any original Nirvana shirt around that time for under $20 so I don't see why someone would reprint. The traditional smiley graphic and dante's inferno are one color prints that would be easy to reproduce and are more widely accepted as the back print is not necessary and normally not included on the repops. I've NEVER seen another copy of this shirt.
Here are some more links for reference.
1994 double tag Travis Tritt Tour https://goo.gl/FLL34R
Really strange hanes tag goo.gl/clDFYE
Pitfall promo 1994 double tag goo.gl/p5Th9q
1997 hanes double tag goo.gl/XpGzkQ
1994 Biohazard winterland hanes long tag goo.gl/bFerm7
1994 celtics double tag https://goo.gl/Bv2Xyi
pack of 94 hanes shirt for logo reference (made in Jamaica) https://goo.gl/mK5ZF9
1994 woodstock with 80s hanes tag https://goo.gl/cbLFYc
1994 suns hanes double tag https://goo.gl/VoOygu
1994 tie dye double tag https://goo.gl/F1NLLx
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